Shiites are invading Jordan.
Clarification: It seems that many of people who read this post misunderstood me, I’m not racist I’m not against the presence of any one on this country and I do believe that mixing cultures will lead to an interesting population. But I do believe that Shiite are loyal to Iran and they will form a tool for Iran to interfere in Jordan. And I want to make it clear that I’m against any Israeli/American domination over this region and I’m also against any Syrian/Iranian domination of this region.
To me Iran (Shiite) is just as evil as Israel (Jews) even more danger since they are considered Muslims. Iran have a deep influence in many Arab country and they use it to interfere in the internal issues of these countries through the blinded-loyal Shiites in these countries; Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain leading to an Iranian expansion in these countries. Iran is a cancer that is spreading in Arab countries but didn’t hit Jordan, Palestine, Egypt and North African countries yet. I guess we all noticed the growing number of Iraqis & Syrians living in Jordan, have you ever asked yourself what they are doing here, you might think Iraq is occupied and Iraqis had to leave, but why they didn’t go to Syria or Lebanon or any other country, and what about Syrians, I guess Syria is a big country, they have oil, water, agriculture, industry..etc why would they leave it.
I believe such people who came to live in Jordan are somehow creating a gateway for Iran to interfere in Jordan, add to that the last war on Lebanon led by Hizbollah (Shiite) made people all over the Arab world likes Shiites and believe in their doctrine. On the other hand Hamas is now a strong ally to Tehran which as well considered a dirty interfere in the Palestinian issue.
Iran and Syria used to talk about freeing Palestine and destroying Israel but its all just talk, Lebanese, Palestinians and Iraqis are being slaughtered everyday while Iran & Syria are watching. What are the objectives of Iran; should we all go out every year and start cutting ourselves to express how much we are sad for the death of Ali Ben Taleb 1,400 years ago? Should we all start cursing Prohet’s accompany? Should we all be slaves to Ali Ben Taleb?
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on October 4, 2006 at 2:48 am Moey wrote:
weird.. makes sense thu!
on October 4, 2006 at 2:51 am Jad madi wrote:
Well, I don’t know if I have to agree or disagree on the title, especially on the word invading.
I do not like the bloody celebration customs of Shiites, but I do not mind living with them as friends and neighbors.
We are totally different people from totally different cultural and this what we should get used to in Jordan, Jordan isn’t the Jordan you used to know anymore, Jordan doesn’t consist of Jordanian, Palestinian and Egyptian workers anymore.
Pragmatically speaking we have either to get used to seeing strangers (whom might own in Jordan more than us now) or to live in isolated containers together or maybe leave Jordan, Nevertheless, I guess there is no serious reason for the second and third solution yet.
btw, this post worth 500 advertising related post
keep it up
MWAH
on October 4, 2006 at 3:14 am Hani wrote:
I think you’ve been drinking a lot lately, Samer! (kidding)?
But I am sure that Ramadan had a big influence on your free time and just giving you ?more space to think things over and over allowing the thought to grow as large as it can ?be!?
I will have to disagree with you in most of the points up there in your post. yes, Iran is ?trying to take over control, but not because they are Shiites, but because they are ?Persians, the race is what makes loyalty… and the religion is only the way to it!?
Anyhow, but that was Iran, not the Shiites in Jordan! no one is planning to invade no one, ?they are wanting to live in piece, and Jordan is a good place for it… that’s it.?
We can say that some of the consequences would be a permanent existence for them ?around here with a full right of practicing their religious traditions as they want, and ?THAT IS IT!?
Man, over the centuries, they always tried to rule and master, but they couldn’t, they just ?couldn’t because they always remain the minority whatever they do… it is math! ?
And take it easy on them, try to get yourself a Shiite friend, you might re-consider your ?thoughts :p?
on October 4, 2006 at 3:27 am Shams wrote:
I see no problem what so ever with Sheites. None at all. If any, they seem to be more progressive than we are and less prone to corrruption and more open to progress. In the Sunni case, to progress we have to turn secular, to stay religious to turn into Takfeeres.
We need to evolve people.
on October 4, 2006 at 4:06 am MeMo wrote:
I can’t belive what I am reading. How could you compare Iran to Israel. What did Iran do to us? Arm Hizbouallah to deliver the first defeat to Israel’s mythical army?
Iran poses zero threat to Jordanians or Jordan the country. Iran may pose a threat to pro-Israeli, pro-US regimes and their cronies, but I did not elect them so I could care less.
on October 4, 2006 at 4:21 am OmAr wrote:
WOW! Excuse me here, but did you revise your post before publishing! All I see is baseless hatred! Man, you’re attacking Muslims here, and it’s not you and me who decide what’s right and what’s wrong! Even al Azhar acknowledged Al Ethna Ashreyyah and Al jaafareyya as two main streams of Islam! I disagree with you 100% in all of your points, Iraqis are in Jordan because sharks are the ones who make decisions in Jordan, the fat pockets of the Iraqis are what made them welcome in Jordan, it’s not a conspiracy to invade Sunnis for God’s sake!
Take a second to breath here, Iran will look as bad as Israel to you because you look at it from the official perspective through its media, Jordan my friend is a blind follower to the US (in case you haven’t noticed!) and the US considers Iran to be as evil to it as Israel is to you, the Jordanian official stream will have to follow that and is forced to feel threatened from Iran and from Shiites, hence, you’ll find articles like that you mentioned, and you’ll see official figures warning from a Shiite threat ( like what King Abdulla did for example in one of the most controversal speechs ever!), taking “anti-nationalist” stands in cases like between Hezbullah and Israel, or like rejecting Hamas. If you feel so bad about allying with Iran because it intereferes in the internal issues of countries, then, what do you feel about Jordan allying with the US and Israel and their interference with every internal issue of ours?!
By the way, it’s obvious that you don’t know much about Shiites (it was Al Hussein who was slaughtered not Ali!) try to read more about them, and at the end, no one forces no one to follow any belief!
on October 4, 2006 at 4:41 am MabHutWati wrote:
“Jordan my friend is a blind follower to the US ”
please don’t offend us with such posts. jordanians have no control over what the government does, like most arabs. we are not blind followers to the US. we have always supported arab liberation causes but we have no voice so all you read is the official press (and most of jordan’s press is official)
on October 4, 2006 at 4:58 am The Observer wrote:
Sorry, but this sounds like discrimination! Why do you associate people with a country?! Being shiite doesn’t mean that you have to follow Iranian ambitious in the region!
on October 4, 2006 at 5:31 am Moe wrote:
This is one of the most ridiculous articles I’ve read on JP in a long time. Utter BS, discriminatory, and based on no facts but baseless personal views…
You’re much better talking about communications Samer.
What the hell is this??
“I believe such people who came to live in Jordan are somehow creating a gateway for Iran to interfere in Jordan, add to that the last war on Lebanon led by Hizbollah (Shiite) made people all over the Arab world likes Shiites and believe in their doctrine.”
on October 4, 2006 at 6:05 am Araib wrote:
What a terrible thing to say. Whatever happened to tolerance and good manners? How can you attack people who have done us no harm?
on October 4, 2006 at 7:45 am Samer Marzouq wrote:
Again people all Shiites all over the world are loyal to Iran not to there countries, Iran control them like puppets which allows it to interfere in issues of those countries.
For those who are defending Iran to the hell with it, they are just bullshiting the world with their “patriot” speeches but in the fact they are a disease. Pleas someone tells me what Iran did so that you defend it like this, did they strike Israel at least once like Saddam once did? What did they do to support Lebanon in the war and why they didn’t interfere? Why did their president stated at the beginning of the last war that any strike on Syria is a strike on the whole Islamic nation and we will respond, doesn’t he consider Palestine, Lebanon and Iraq part of the Islamic nation?
And for those who are defending Shiites principles, most of them consider that Mohamed (PBUH) became prophet by mistake, some of them even say Ali has been betrayed and he was supposed to be the prophet even that he was 10 years old when he became Muslim. If you search more some of their Shakes consider Ali a partner with god in Heaven and Hell.
Prophets accompany died 1,400 years ago and Shiite shakes still cursing them saying that they are danger on Islam, how is that they are dead long time ago.
The conflict is much deeper than you think, it’s not a war between Israel and Hezbollah, or Saddam against the Americans, believe me it is much much deeper and I guess days can reveal.
on October 4, 2006 at 9:01 am Markus wrote:
“Lebanese, Palestinians and Iraqis are being slaughtered everyday while Iran & Syria are watching”
and what were the other arabs doing? NOTHING, they were also watching, so how does that make IRAN and SYRIA worse than the others, they are from the same pile of S#$%……
Jordan is not blind follower of the US, it is owned by the US literaly , after all ,close to 4 billion dollars a year in kickbacks (up from 1.5 bllion) buys alot of things, including countries, leader, and political stands as wellas anti-iranian sentiments
on October 4, 2006 at 9:44 am Samer Marzouq wrote:
Well Markus what makes Iran & Syria better than the other? Why do you defend them? Name one single good action no matter how small it is that Syria & Iran committed to the Islamic world?
Why can’t Syria & Iran are owned by the American government and playing the patriot role?
on October 4, 2006 at 10:13 am Roba wrote:
I must agree with everyone here. The post is reap with conspiracy theories, discrimination, and xenophobia.
on October 4, 2006 at 11:56 am Samer Marzouq wrote:
Well Roba, to me I disagree with most Jordanians who are upset of the Iraqi presence in Jordan as long as it doesn’t form influence in the country.
And to tell you the truth I hope that I’m wrong because I’m so worried of the Iranian greed.
on October 4, 2006 at 2:32 pm Atshan Jou3an wrote:
There is a difference between defending Iran and Syria because we like them versus diasgreeing with you because you are not making sense. Say something that makes sense and we will agree with it. But for you to make such outragous accusations against ANYONE, ANY PEOPLE, ANY RELIGION, ANY COUNTRY, including but not limited to Iran, Syria, Nepal, Sweden or any other countries, that are full of hate but based ON NOTHING OF VALUE, not a study, not facts, NOT NOTHING, I am afraid you will find few people who support your views. this is not love for Iran or Syria in as much as it’s concern for accuracy, fairness, and tolerance. the burden is ON YOU to prove your bizzare arguments, since we all assume innocense until guitl is proven, lest we are accused of irrational and intolerent behavior. Bolivia did not support the Palestinains or Iraqis, or Lebanese, but we do not hate Bolivia. Do you? So who cares if Iran or Syria did or did not do anything. But even if Iran and Syria did support the Lebanes or Palestinains, and most suspect they do, do you think they can come forward and admit it? How do you think Hizbouallah got their advanced weapons and the money to buy them? Saudi Arabia? Jordan? Lets get real.
on October 4, 2006 at 3:22 pm hamede wrote:
Samer, the iragi,s influence in jordan is in the way.
on October 4, 2006 at 4:07 pm Samer Marzouq wrote:
Atshan Jou3an, as I said days will reveal and to me I do believe in what I said.
hamede, I’m not concerned about Iraqi’s influence, it’s the Shiite cancer I’m worried about.
on October 4, 2006 at 5:25 pm Atshan Jou3an wrote:
The Alghad article you pointed to is hate speech.
the article was shocking To know the jordanian security is actually pursuing and possibly torturing Shiite jordanians and iraqis because of their religious beliefs is horrific and utterly repugnant. But I guess this is where the US stomach for reforms ends and where its true nature shows. not one word of protest from the white house, who are quick to denounce anti-semitism, but seem content when a sidekick enages in religious persecution. so long as the persecuted are disliked by the US and West.
We are witnessing the dark ages descend on Jordan where people are being persecuted for their beliefs. Not only did democracy never materialized in Jordan, now freedoms of the press and relaxed only to allow hate to propagate.
Will there be a violent backlash to this persecution? I think this is the desired outcome. and common jordanians will suffer again so some sick bastard can make a case against the shiites and mobilize the public opinion. we know the inhumne tactics, been there. these people are crude and brutal, and they will have no qualms to use the suffering of Jordanains for political ends.
on October 4, 2006 at 5:50 pm Samer Marzouq wrote:
Well, Shiite are so similar to Jews, wherever they are they work for the benefit of their homeland and we are talking about Israel and Iran, and I do believe that Shiite presence in any country is similar to Jewish presence.
And to me I guess I have the right to disagree with Jews and Shiite as well just like you disagreed with me, and I also have the right work against their domination, if you are a fan of Shiite that’s your own business but to me both them are danger.
on October 5, 2006 at 2:21 am OHNO wrote:
This is not freedom of expression, this is hate…old fashioned repulsive KKK/Zionist-style hate. This is incitement to violance.
on October 5, 2006 at 2:37 am Samer Marzouq wrote:
I guess we will not move forward, if anyone disagree with you is either Jewish, Natzie or Zionest and you are an angle from the sky.
on October 5, 2006 at 2:54 am OHNO wrote:
Do you consider rejecting your hate speech and intolerance opposing discrimintation and xenopobia NOT moving forward? If moving forwards means promoting religious perecution, inctitment to violance, and discrimintation agains people who are not accused of anything in a court of law THEN YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND. Is your idea of forward for Jordanians to be intolerant? Today Shiites, tomorrow Chrsitian Jordanians, then Chirkisans, then Beduins, then….WHERE WILL IT STOP.
I am not an angle from the sky but your idea of moving forward is very backward. You live in the dark ages my friend. If forward is liberalism then you are not a liberal. If forward is KKK/Zionism then you will feel more at home in Tel Aviv or Mississippi (sp).
WHAT IS MOVING FORWARD TO YOU? WHERE DID YOU READ THAT INTOLERANCE IS MOVING FORWARD? WHAT COUNTRY THAT YOU CONSIDER A MODEL COUNTRY ALLOWS THIS SORT OF HATE? (othern than Israel and US)
on October 5, 2006 at 3:44 am Samer Marzouq wrote:
Well don’t play the patriot role my friend, to me Israel & USA are just as evil as Syria & Iran and I guess I have the right to disagree with all of them just like I disagree with any other country all over the world, or I’m allowed to hate Israel & USA only but no matter what Syrai & Iran did I have to see them as angles.
Am I allowed to disagree with China, Japan, Nigeria… or you will consider me Zionest?
on October 5, 2006 at 4:20 am Bagdarsh wrote:
Samer, You give yourself the right to post hate speech, but you see yourself as a a martyr of intolerance when people disagree with you. I think this is funny. It’s like a neo-Nazi or zio-nazi crying victim and anti-semitism because people detest their views.
When you are forced to stop posting hate speech, then you have a case to argue. Even I will come to your defense, repulsive as your views may be.
Do you want us to just say you are right? Is this the only “disagreement” you accept? Sounds to me that your intolerance is also reflected in your inability to handle disagreements.
I have alwasy been a strong opponent of the way the Arab world is “westernizing” because we are western by our love for commercial western trademarks, but when it comes to liberal values we SUCK! You are a case in point.
I read your blog and its full of Western symbols. Fine. But where it matters the most such as tolerance and equality i can’t even detect a hint of western influence on you.
Ironically, Jordanian islamists tend to be very tolerant of Shities. More so than those who claim to want Jordan to be a progressive westernized country. How bizzare.
This explains why Jordan is leaning to the Islamists more and more. There is simply no center and no left. What a sad state of affairs.
when an “independent centirst” jordanian newspaper like Alghad, led by a a self-proclaimed leftist, Ayman Safadi, allows such hateful articles bashing a religious minorty in Jordan to be published, this to me spells doom and gloom for Jordanian left and center.
But Ayman Safadi for those who don’t know used to work in a high profile official position before he was to lead an “independent” newspaper that is owned by someome with strong ties to the establishment.
If these are the values beeing encouraged by the establishment, which is obvious form the Al-Ghad atricle, then I am afriaid they are short sighted and are taking Jordan down with them.
on October 5, 2006 at 6:10 am Samer Marzouq wrote:
Well there is no point of keep repeating myself, I know my enemies; Israel, USA & Iran and whoever follow it.
on October 5, 2006 at 7:31 am Rantings of a Sandmonkey » Shia conspiracy theory in Jordan wrote:
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on October 5, 2006 at 3:39 pm ella wrote:
Samer and OHNO
I may be, according to you and others on your blog, your enemy (well, I am from the west) but at least we, in the west, do not profess hatred based on religion.
You people mention KKK and intolerance towards blacks however KKK was a long time ago and one of the afro-american (or blacks) is Condi.
I am not in Jordan, but most refugees and other people which came to Jordan from Iraq are sunnis not shia.
I don’t like Syria and Iran and their policies of hatred towards everything western. However how can you people talk about democracy and liberalism if you hate not the policy of Iran or policy of Syria, but all the followers of shia faith who according to your clerics are also muslims?
Most of you are talking about palestinians, but Syria killed hundreds of palestinians when they were on their territory. Neither Egypt, nor Lebanon, nor any other muslim country apart from Jordan gave palestinians their nationality and they are still living in the camps.
It seems to me that we in the west are not your enemies however you yourself are not only our enemies but also the worst enemies of yourself. And what you accusing us of being can very well be description of most of you.
on October 5, 2006 at 8:18 pm OHNO wrote:
Ella, don’t flatter yourself, you are not from the West, you are a supremacist zionist who expelled non-jews and stole their land and homes. So for you to come here and lecture us on religious tolerance is utterly perverse.
Sweden is a liberal western democracy, so is France. You are worse than apartheid south africa.
Syria and Iran don’t hate the west. you made that up. They only hate when the US and Israel threaten their national security.
As for the suffering of Palestinains at the hands of Arabs, had the palestinains not been expelled from their homes by you just because they are not jewish, none of terrible things would have happened to them. You and your ZioNazi compatriots are directly responsible for all the violence and misery the palestinains have suffered in exile.
Trying to fish in the muddy waters? old dog, old trick.
on October 5, 2006 at 9:16 pm ella wrote:
OHNO
Preconceptions are misleading. zionist I am not, not that religion.
Neither do I flatter myself, I know my worth (for your information I am not talking only about money here).
However, i do have to thank you. I have heard the news that jews rule the world. I always wanted people of my country (which for your information is not israel) to rule the world, or at least to rule over russians
And really Iranians do not tell that the west is corrupt? That the democracy is not compatible with islam? Or did I read the speeches of Mr. Ahmadi Nejad wrongly?
Or did perhaps I mistaken few speeches of Bashar about UNFIL? Or speeches of Hizbullah about hmm……March 14th movement?
Wow so many mistakes from my side.
on October 8, 2006 at 12:53 am omar wrote:
Hi Samer,
Why would you related to Syrians and Iraqis to Iran? It’s a shame you point fingers at another Arabic country, everytime somebody does that, the BIG manipulators dance in joy.
I have to agree with Roba, you’re probably having Xenophobia
but I am not telling you I’m all jolly and happy with the somehow
unexpected ‘visit’ of the Iraqis to Jordan. It affected the population
badly.
But still, you can’t do it Shiite and Sunni,
as a Jordanian, I never knew what Shiites are, up ’til last year!
I used to mix them with Communists! Imagine (Shee3i, Shyoo3i) LOL
But el 7amdulellah I’ve been introduced to what they believe in,
and it’s terrible how people think that they think that Ali is supposed to
be the prophet.
Do they believe in the Quran? YES
Do they believe in Allah? YES
Do they believe in Muhammad as Allah’s Prophet? YES
you should stop there,
what’s more to being a MUSLIM than this? They just differ on who to be a successor Khalifah, which is more like an authority conflict rather than the religion itself…
on February 28, 2007 at 10:58 pm emad hylooz wrote:
what ever we say the general situation in our arab countries needs to rational leads and to understand the substence of the issue and go more deep to figure out the solutions .. we all arabs in the same hall ,, we can’t just separate shiites or other muslim catogories ,,we all suffer from the same sourc…
on February 28, 2007 at 11:28 pm Samer Marzouq wrote:
emad I’m trying to be rational but I fail, I mean Sunnis are fighting the Americans, and Shiites are stabbing the Sunnis in the back instead of fighting next to them, Sistani ordered all Shiites not to fight Americans. Look at all American crimes they all are in Sunnis areas; Baghdad, Ramadi, Falwjah.
on March 13, 2007 at 7:17 pm Mohanned wrote:
You know what as jordanians we can say whatever we want regarding our country wether you like it or not, do you think that those shiaa like us? I don’t think so sir..we have differences in the core of our relegion. They attack the 7′olafa2 and 3a2esha umm el mo2mneen…so you know what they have no right to come to jordan, they burned our embassy in iraq, they burned our flag they consider us traitors..here is something from youtube to laugh about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky-EkoRURWA
on November 27, 2007 at 7:32 am Prokopios wrote:
Nice…
on December 9, 2007 at 3:11 pm lirun wrote:
thanks for the peacedeal..